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		<title>Global Financial Crisis</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the wake of bank insolvencies overseas and bailouts by other governments,  the Prime Minister announced a $10.4b stimulus package to stabilise and protect the Australian economy. A breakdown of the stimulus plan can be accessed here (via The Age, 14/10/08) and here (via The Australian, 14/10/08).
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the wake of bank insolvencies overseas and bailouts by other governments,  the Prime Minister <a href="http://www.pm.gov.au/media/video/index.cfm">announced</a> a $10.4b stimulus package to stabilise and protect the Australian economy. A breakdown of the stimulus plan can be accessed <a href="http://business.theage.com.au/business/rudd-unveils-104b-stimulus-plan-20081014-50a6.html">here </a>(via The Age, 14/10/08) and here (via <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24494843-5013946,00.html">The Australian</a>, 14/10/08).</p>
<p>There are now <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24498075-643,00.html">concerns</a> (The Australian, 15/10/08) that the plan will turn the sizeable budgetary surplus into a deficit. It has been <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24531324-5013871,00.html">reported</a> (The Australian, 22/10/08)  that the government is backing down from its initial promise to guarantee all bank deposits to avoid market distortions.</p>
<p>How do you rate the financial plan? What would you do?</p>
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		<title>Should Australia have a bill of rights?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many are calling for an Australian bill of rights to ensure human rights are duly protected. Is there really a need for such an instrument? Should it be statutory or constitutional? Is it undemocratic in that it transfers power from the elected representatives of the people (Parliament) to an unelected, unaccountable judiciary? What kind of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many are calling for an Australian bill of rights to ensure human rights are duly protected. Is there really a need for such an instrument? Should it be statutory or constitutional? Is it undemocratic in that it transfers power from the elected representatives of the people (Parliament) to an unelected, unaccountable judiciary? What kind of rigths should be included in a bill of rights?</p>
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		<title>Click here to rant and view rants</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Legalise gay marriage?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An age-old institution is being attacked: what side should we be on? To answer this question, I begin with a negative argument, i.e. why we cannot accept gay marriage; I then attempt to show that the discrimination charge is circular; lastly, I propose a positive argument, namely why the current definition of marriage is the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An age-old institution is being attacked: what side should we be on? To answer this question, I begin with a negative argument, i.e. why we cannot accept gay marriage; I then attempt to show that the discrimination charge is circular; lastly, I propose a positive argument, namely why the current definition of marriage is the best.<br />
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<p>Let us suppose that we do exactly what the proponents of gay marriage want us to do: remove the condition that marriage is between a man and a woman. Now two men can get married; so can two women. But why not three men? Why not two women and one man? On what basis can we tell these people they are excluded from the benefit of marriage? You might protest that marriage cannot involve more than two persons. But we have just changed the definition of marriage. How can we say changing the definition again is out of the question? Three men can love and care for each other deeply. They are consenting adults in a free society. Polygamy is very common in some cultures; polyandry is less common but isn’t it time to end the prejudice? Perhaps you can assist me, but I don’t know what we can say to such people if we remove the condition that marriage is between a man and a woman. Every proponent of gay marriage is thus, unwittingly, an apologist for polygamy. To believe that marriage is anything is to believe marriage is nothing.</p>
<p>Gay marriage advocates argue that defining marriage as marriage has always been defined discriminates against gays. Discrimination occurs when a person is deprived of a benefit to which the person is entitled. It’s not enough to show a group cannot access a certain benefit: it must be shown that the group is entitled to that benefit in the first place. It’s not discriminatory that only Aborigines have the benefit of native title legislation and Asians don’t because there is no reason why Asians would be entitled to it in the first place. Arguing that gays are discriminated against because they cannot get married presupposes that gays are entitled to get married – which is the whole debate! Advocates of gay marriage thus conveniently assume the very thing they need to prove. Contending that gays are discriminated against because they cannot have the benefit of an institution that was clearly conceived for heterosexuals, like native title was for indigenous people, is, absent other justifications, a non-sequitur.</p>
<p>This is not a situation where an institution had always been available to everyone and suddenly the government excluded homosexuals. That would be prima facie discrimination. This is an institution that was conceived and has always been intended to recognise a particular type of union. Now some people want to hijack the institution and change the rules. There is no strength in the proposition that asserting that marriage is what it has always been is ipso facto discriminatory. The onus of proof lies on the proponents of gay marriage to find reasons why the institution should undergo a metamorphosis. Discrimination cannot be one of these reasons.</p>
<p>When we consider the uniqueness of heterosexual marriage, it is instructive to note that it has existed since time immemorial across virtually all cultures. We don’t need an anthropologist to know that but hey, why not. Peter Wood, professor of anthropology at Boston University (National Review Online, 26/4/05):</p>
<p>“[S]ome 150 years of systematic inquiry by anthropologists leaves little doubt that heterosexual marriage is found in nearly every human society and almost always as a pivotal institution. Homosexual marriage outside contemporary Western societies is exceedingly rare and never the basis of ‘viable social order.’”</p>
<p>How is it that so many human societies, many of which had little to no contact with each other for hundreds of years, came up with or preserved the same institution? It’s as if we tell dozens of groups to separately design a central social institution and they all come back with roughly the same answer. It seems traditional marriage is a pretty good idea. It is a common denominator of humanity, if you like. It transcends boundaries of distance, race and development. Can we say the same about gay marriage? Even a society like Ancient Greece, which embraced homosexuality and pederasty, did not allow men to marry men or women women. Homosexual relationships were accepted but they weren’t accepted as marriage. Frankly, a better case could be made for polygamy, a common form of marriage, than gay marriage – and that says a great deal.</p>
<p>Marriage is not unique only in the evolution of the human race; its centrality and incomparability can be readily observed in our own lives. Marriage has a societal role that gay marriage can never hope to emulate, no matter how ardently the partners love each other. Marriage means much more than feelings. Not every loving relationship between heterosexuals is a marriage. Traditional marriage fulfills the all-important social function of binding the sexes together for the responsible procreation and upbringing of human beings. It is a much better defender of social stability and children than promiscuity or the noncommittal cohabitation of the modern age. The family is the most basic and important unit of human civilisation – as those of us fortunate enough to have been raised in a family can attest – and marriage is the basis of sound families. It is the basis of ‘viable social order’. It is when marriage and family break down that we fully grasp their importance and unparalleled social function. To argue that two guys who love each other perform this unique social function so indispensable to human civilisation is to misunderstand the role that marriage plays in society and even cheapen it. Gay marriage, apart from being an oxymoron, is a counterfeit. It may look like the original but it actually lowers its value.</p>
<p>Homosexual relationships have their place in a free society. I am only asking you to accept that not every relationship is a marriage. That, as we have seen, is a slippery slope. If marriage is anything, it is nothing.</p>
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		<title>Dump the Queen?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many now view the monarchy as an antiquated, irrelevant institution that will soon be consigned to the dustbin of history. Iconoclasm may be tempting to some, but I believe we should think twice before we amputate a limb of our national heritage and rewrite the Constitution.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many now view the monarchy as an antiquated, irrelevant institution that will soon be consigned to the dustbin of history. Iconoclasm may be tempting to some, but I believe we should think twice before we amputate a limb of our national heritage and rewrite the Constitution.<span id="more-5"></span></p>
<p>I say this because Australia owes its very birth as a nation to the patronage of the British Crown and the hard work of its loyal agents, after whom our major cities are named. It is no coincidence our founding documents begin, “George the Third, by the grace of God, King of Britain, France and Ireland, Defender of the Faith”. The British connection is not some incidental detail in Australian history. It’s Australia’s foundation, the source of its values, political system and jurisprudence, language, culture and people. The founding words of the Preamble to the Constitution – “one indissoluble Federal Commonwealth under the Crown” – are a testament to that legacy, not an embarrassing slip of the tongue to be rubbed out and forgotten, belittled by future generations.</p>
<p>Republicanism stands for repudiating the very foundations on which this country has been built in favour of, well, they can’t really tell us because they haven’t agreed on a model and the last one they gave us was a dud. At the present time, it’s a contest between an awe-inspiring 1100-year-old institution without which this country wouldn’t exist and “oh, we’ll figure something out”.</p>
<p>You will observe that other countries do not naturally forget their foundations and dump their heritage at some point. Progressive countries like the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Norway, Spain, Canada, the United Kingdom and New Zealand are all constitutional monarchies. This is not because they are stuck in the middle ages. They value their heritage and consider it would be a pity to unnecessarily put an end to it. The Thais, the Japanese, even the Maoris, have kept their traditional monarchies. Why? It’s their tradition and they don’t want to lose it.</p>
<p>When monarchies are abolished, typically a violent phenomenon, it is usually as a consequence of oppression or outside interference. Thus the unpopular King of France was guillotined and the revered Kaiser of Germany was forced to abdicate by the Entente powers at the end of WW1. The hapless Tsar of Russia abdicated only to be shot against a wall with his entire family. Nepal is a more recent example of abolition induced by oppression. Proud nations with stable and reliable government do not turn against their past and uproot their own foundations. Our Queen is no tyrant nor is she being forced to abdicate by a foreign power. Her Majesty is a symbol of our provenance and heritage, like our flag. Would you throw away the flag because it includes the Union Jack? Most people wouldn’t because, well, because it’s our flag. This is the flag that flew over the trenches of Gallipolli and the fortifications of Tobruk; this is the flag we have hoisted with pride for over a hundred years and there is no way we’re going to ditch it. So what if the Union Jack is part of it? In fact, it’s there for a very good reason. It’s there because that’s where the country came from.</p>
<p>You wouldn’t ditch the flag because of the British connection but you would ditch an institution that both predates the flag and can boast a greater practical contribution to Australia? The monarchy is like the Union Jack in the flag: it’s there for a good reason and it’s not a reason to dump it.</p>
<p>Many republicans justify the abandonment of our heritage with the complaint that our Constitution gives extensive powers to an octogenarian who lives in England. Surely, a mature, confident nation must run its own affairs. I have good news for you. The truth is that under our Constitution the powers of the head of state are exercisable by an Australian, namely the Governor-General. The Queen cannot exercise these powers even when she is in Australia, nor can she overrule the exercise of executive power by the Governor-General. When the Queen was urged, during the constitutional crisis of 1975, to reverse the dismissal of the Whitlam Government by the Governor-General, the <a href="http://www.ozpolitics.info/guide/topics/dismissal/dismissal-queen/">reply</a> from Buckingham Palace was that the Queen lacked the constitutional capacity to countermand the Governor-General: “the Australian Constitution firmly places the prerogative powers of the Crown in the hands of the Governor-General&#8230; The only person competent to commission an Australian Prime Minister is the Governor-General.”</p>
<p>Even the Queen’s right to appoint or dismiss the Governor-General is hollow because it is done on the advice of the Prime Minister. In effect, it is the PM who appoints or dismisses the Governor-General. And so, the Constitution in its present form bestows all executive power on an Australian whose decisions are not reviewable by a person who is not Australian. The republican argument about independence founders on the Constitution it attacks.</p>
<p>The upshot is that our constitutional monarchy is a brilliant compromise between tradition and modernity, heritage and independence, past and present. We can have all the prestige of monarchy and complete political freedom at the same time. We can honour our history without letting the past curtail our present independence. Not in vain did Justice Kirby of the High Court describe Australia as a “crowned republic”. It is the best of both worlds. Let’s keep that way.</p>
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		<title>Reinstate the death penalty?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The death penalty has been abolished in all Australian jurisdictions. The last person to be executed in Australia was Ronald Ryan in 1967. Our governments’ abolitionist position, however, is somewhat at odds with opinion polls which consistently show considerable support for the death penalty. According to a poll conducted by Newspoll in August 2003, 56% [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: ">The death penalty has been abolished in all Australian jurisdictions. The last person to be executed in Australia was Ronald Ryan in 1967. Our governments’ abolitionist position, however, is somewhat at odds with opinion polls which consistently show considerable support for the death penalty. According to a poll conducted by Newspoll in August 2003, 56% of respondents supported the reintroduction of the death penalty for “major acts of terrorism”; only 36% voted against; the rest were uncommitted. An ANU survey from 2003, which asked if the death penalty should be reintroduced for murder generally, found that only 33.6% were opposed. The president of the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission <a href="http://www.hreoc.gov.au/about/media/speeches/speeches_president/2006/death_penalty.html">lamented</a> in 2006 that <em>“there are concerning signs that public support for the death penalty is growing.&#8221;</em></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: "> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: ">Yet, debate on this issue has been scarce. Why have we – or more accurately our governments – decided that it is always wrong to execute criminals, regardless of the crime or the strength of the evidence? Indeed, what is so taboo about executing people like Ali Amrozi or Josef Fritzl? Why do people who protect them believe they are more civilised than people who demand justice for their victims?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: "> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: ">The reason I support the reintroduction of the death penalty for murder is that I don’t think the life of the murderer is more valuable than the life of the victim. If the victim has been deprived of the opportunity to live – often brutally – why should the murderer be automatically entitled to a lighter consequence? It may sound unsophisticated, but I am yet to hear a convincing counterargument. John Lewthwaite killed five-year-old Nicole Hanns in 1974. In 1999 he was released and given an opportunity to start a new life. Is Nicole’s life only worth 25 years of Lewthwaite’s life? Will Nicole get to start afresh? Whence comes this privilege, this gift of life (that Lewthwaite denied another and not for any crime)? How is this brand new life to be justified to Nicole’s family? It’s more like adding insult to injury. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: "> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: ">In fact, even if Lewthwaite hadn’t been released, he’d still get the better of Nicole because he would live for a long time. As for those who say that life in prison is worse than death, I am not persuaded. If they really believe prisoners would rather be executed, why do they oppose the death penalty on humane grounds? Why not support the compassionate state that euthanises life prisoners dying to die? Why do people on death row clog the system with desperate, last-minute appeals? They do so because life is apparently such a good thing that even people in prison want to hold on to it for as long as possible. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: "> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: ">Abolitionists say that the death penalty should be abolished because it’s inhumane and uncivilised. I have always found this argument to be circular. Why is it inhumane or uncivilised? Isn’t that what abolitionists need to prove? One can’t avoid it by including the conclusion in the premise. Besides, a lot of people don’t find the death penalty inhumane or uncivilised so it is far from a foregone conclusion that need not be substantiated. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: "> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: ">One abolitionist argument which does have merit is that the death penalty is irreversible. There is almost a risk, however small, that an innocent person might be executed. While I readily concede that this is an inconvenient likelihood for my cause, it is important to compare this likelihood with the inconvenient likelihoods arising from the abolition of the death penalty. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: "> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: ">Firstly, I can cite at least 12 research papers to the effect that each execution, by way of deterrence, saves the lives of between fifteen to eighteen innocent people. In fact, I can cite much higher figures but I choose to be conservative in my assertion. To my knowledge, it has never been suggested, let alone established, that there are fifteen to eighteen wrongful executions for each warranted execution. Hence, the innocents among us have less to fear from the death penalty than the abolition thereof. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: "> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: ">Secondly, even if you don’t grant the deterrent effect, there is another inconvenient likelihood that is impossible not to grant. As we have seen with Lewthwaite, murderers are often released. There is no certainty that people who have murdered before will not re-offend. This is not a theoretical argument. Danny R. Rouse of Kansas was convicted of child murder in 1979, served 26 years, was released in 2006 and in the same year murdered a sixteen-year-old (a killing to which he confessed). While abolitionists struggle to conclusively prove that innocent people have been executed in the modern age and speak of likelihoods, here we have a real innocent person who would have been alive now had Rouse gotten his just deserts. Stephanie F. Wagner is a conclusive victim of abolitionism. Unfortunately, she is not the only one. Consider this from Telegraph.co.uk (21/1/07):</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: "> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><em><span style="font-family: ">“Nearly 30 convicted killers released from jail over the past 10 years have gone on to kill again, according to Home Office figures released yesterday.”</span></em></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: "> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: ">This is all the more tragic because it could have so easily and sensibly been prevented. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: "> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: ">Sadly, even leaving murderers to languish in prison doesn’t solve the problem of recidivism. Timothy Hancock of Ohio, having been sentenced to life in 1990, murdered his cellmate in 2000. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: "> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: ">What is the re-offending rate of executed murderers? </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: "> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: ">While the irreversibility argument has merit, it is outweighed by its implications. The best way to protect the innocent is to execute those who murder the innocent. The death penalty is thus warranted morally as well as pragmatically. The death penalty saves lives. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: "> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">*I am greatly indebted to Professor John Lott’s book Freedomnomics<span> </span></span></p>
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		<title>Scrap the citizenship test?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since October last year, most citizenship applicants must pass the citizenship test. The test sparked some controversy at the time of its introduction and has recently come under the following attack (Herald Sun, 15/6/08):
AUSTRALIA&#8217;S citizenship test has been given a fail by the former diplomat charged with reviewing it. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since October last year, most citizenship applicants must pass the citizenship test. The test sparked some controversy at the time of its introduction and has recently come under the following <a href="http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23866862-661,00.html">attack</a> (Herald Sun, 15/6/08):</p>
<blockquote><p>AUSTRALIA&#8217;S citizenship test has been given a fail by the former diplomat charged with reviewing it. <span id="more-6"></span></p>
<p>Richard Woolcott says the test discriminates against people who don&#8217;t speak English as their first language and is flawed because you can get 19 of 20 questions correct and still not pass.</p></blockquote>
<p>Firstly, we need to understand that any test discriminates. It discriminates between candidates who have the requisite skills and candidates who don’t. That is the purpose of a test. A test that anyone can pass is not really a test – it’s a rubber stamp. Do we want a test for citizens or a rubber stamp?</p>
<p>The next issue is whether the ability to speak English is a relevant skill for a new citizen. I believe that a grasp of the spoken language – the primary means of communication without which integration is virtually impossible – is a relevant skill for people who want to live in Australia. All new citizens are required to take the Pledge of Commitment. Don’t they have to understand it? Can they “uphold and obey” our laws if they can’t understand our laws? Perhaps our laws also discriminate against people from non-English-speaking backgrounds.</p>
<p>The test is not designed to throw unexpected questions at confused migrants. All applicants have to know to pass the test is contained in a booklet that can be downloaded or posted. The test can’t surprise anyone. Unlike most dealings with the government, the test is free. According to the Department of Immigration and Citizenship, which administers the test, the pass rate is 83.3%, which is quite reasonable. A test anyone can pass is not really a test. In the event a person fails, he or she can sit the test again, and again, until they pass. It’s like the driving test: not everyone passes on their first or second attempt but everyone passes eventually. There is nothing unreasonable about this. If anything, it’s too easy. Consider this sample test question, supplied by the Department:</p>
<blockquote><p>Which one of these values is important in modern Australia:<br />
1.	Everyone has the same religion<br />
2.	Everyone has equality of opportunity<br />
3.	Everyone belongs to the same political party</p></blockquote>
<p>I’m happy to refuse citizenship to people who can’t get that one right. Some questions are admittedly more challenging. For example, ‘What is a bill?’ The answer is on page 39 of the booklet: “a proposed law that has not yet passed through Parliament”. This test is not some draconian measure. I wish my university exams were more like the citizenship test.</p>
<p>Woolcott’s critique that applicants may get 95% and still fail because three questions are mandatory doesn’t take into account the essentiality of some issues. For example, an immigrant who circles (1) or (3) above is not ready to be an Australian citizen, end of story. The three mandatory questions are those that relate specifically to the rights and duties of citizens. If an applicant doesn’t know the rights and duties that come with citizenship, he or she is not ready to be a citizen.</p>
<p>Woolcott also criticised the booklet:</p>
<blockquote><p>There&#8217;s no doubt the booklet on which the test is based is way, way above basic English and discriminates very much in favour of people who have been educated in English as a first language.</p></blockquote>
<p>I read the booklet. It is written in plain English. It is certainly not written in academic jargon. The following passage from page 39 is a representative example:</p>
<blockquote><p>The House of Representatives has 150 Members who each represents about 80,000 voters living in one particular area (an electorate). As Victoria and New South Wales have the largest populations, most of the members of the House of Representatives come from there. This is balanced by the Senate, where all states, no matter what their population, have the same number of senators.</p></blockquote>
<p>People whose English is poor may not understand all of it. But then again English is a relevant skill and a necessity for immigrants. The booklet is written in the kind of English that any person engaged with the community would need to understand. Why shouldn’t the citizenship test require this kind of English?</p>
<p>And by the way, the booklet is available in 29 languages other than English.</p>
<p>Woolcott was paraphrased in the above piece as saying:</p>
<blockquote><p>Refugees fleeing conflict areas in particular shouldn&#8217;t have to face the &#8220;additional hurdle&#8221; of a test in English.</p></blockquote>
<p>Let us be clear on this point. The test is not a condition for the granting of asylum. It’s not as if refugees who fail the test are handed back to their persecutors. It simply means that refugees who have been given asylum and now want to become citizens do need to speak English and know some basic things about the country of which they seek to become citizens. That is not too much to ask. It is understandable that refugees, who tend to come from third-world countries with little formal education, would find the test more difficult than, say, an Englishman. The fact that refugees have a lower pass rate than New Zealanders shows the test is working: the test is really about ability, not political-correctness. Aren’t we testing whether people are ready to become citizens?</p>
<p>Do university faculties dumb down their exams to ensure refugee students don’t have a pass rate lower than local students? If they did, it would cease to be a test.</p>
<p>Lowering the bar so that everyone can pass is a joke. Do we want the bar for Australian citizenship to be a joke?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Relativism is the philosophy which asserts that there is no absolute or objective truth. Friedrich Nietzsche, the father of Perspectivism and arguably a forerunner of Relativism, said that &#8220;there are no facts, only interpretations&#8221;. In his enigmatic books, he argued that humans beings do not find values, but invent them. Postmodernism, too, seems to be [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relativism is the philosophy which asserts that there is no absolute or objective truth. Friedrich Nietzsche, the father of Perspectivism and arguably a forerunner of Relativism, said that &#8220;there are no facts, only interpretations&#8221;. In his enigmatic books, he argued that humans beings do not find values, but invent them. Postmodernism, too, seems to be premised on this principle. Is it true that there is no absolute truth and that morality is man-made? What are the consequences of this school of thought for humanity?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Rudd Government is committed to adopting an Emissions Trading Scheme by 2010, which is an election year. It is projected to cause considerable economic pain with potentially ruinous consequences for certain industries, if not household budgets. Given that Australia cannot effectively address climate change alone (as its emissions are negligible compared with the rest [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rudd Government is committed to adopting an Emissions Trading Scheme by 2010, which is an election year. It is projected to cause considerable economic pain with potentially ruinous consequences for certain industries, if not household budgets. Given that Australia cannot effectively address climate change alone (as its emissions are negligible compared with the rest of the world), has the Govenment acted prudently in committing the country to an ETS regardless of what the rest of the world does? <span id="more-11"></span></p>
<p>Are we not in danger, as Chris Uhlmann of the ABC warned, of incurring all the costs of action <strong>plus</strong> all the costs of inaction? If an ETS has virtually no environmental effect, is it not just a revenue grab and a lot of pointless pain?</p>
<p>If an ETS is introduced, should petrol be excluded given the soaring price of oil? Should seriously affected business be compensated? Should low-income-earners be compensated?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 06:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NSW Labor Government intends to privatise the state&#8217;s electricity industry and has the in-principle support of the Liberal Opposition, subject to a number of conditions. The Government, already sinking in the polls, faces a backlash from unions and its own rank-and-file members who, in the last Labor conference, voted down the proposal 702-107.  [...]]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[Renowned literary critic Harold Bloom published a scathing review of literary sensation of our generation, Harry Potter. This diatribe (Wall Street Journal, 11/7/00) is extracted here. What&#8217;s your view? Is J K Rowling really a brilliant author or, as Bloom asserts, &#8220;if you cannot be persuaded to read anything better, Rowling will have to do&#8221;?

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renowned literary critic Harold Bloom published a scathing review of literary sensation of our generation, Harry Potter. This diatribe (Wall Street Journal, 11/7/00) is extracted <a href="http://wrt-brooke.syr.edu/courses/205.03/bloom.html">here</a>. What&#8217;s your view? Is J K Rowling really a brilliant author or, as Bloom asserts, &#8220;if you cannot be persuaded to read anything better, Rowling will have to do&#8221;?<br />
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The censorship debate has recently come back to life following the Bill Henson exhibition in which sexually suggestive photographs of naked 12- and 13-year-old children were displayed in Paddington. The Prime Minister, the Premier of NSW and other politicians did not hide their disgust.  In an act of defiance, the editors of Art Monthly [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The censorship debate has recently come back to life following the Bill Henson exhibition in which sexually suggestive photographs of naked 12- and 13-year-old children were displayed in Paddington. The Prime Minister, the Premier of NSW and other politicians did not hide their disgust.  In an act of defiance, the editors of <em>Art Monthly</em> published an old picture of a naked 6-year-old girl <span id="more-28"></span> on the cover of the magazine.  The outspoken girl, Oylmpia Nelson, who is now 11,  fronted the cameras with her father, who is an art critic himself. <a href="http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23980576-662,00.html">Click here to watch this exceptional interview</a>. What do you believe? Where do we draw the line between art, pornography or even child abuse?<span style="text-decoration: underline;"> </span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"> </span></p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Metaphysics aside, is the world better off with or without religion? Secularists like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens argue that religion has been a malevolent force in human history and should be eradicated. Others disagree with some of the doctrinal claims of religion but believe that on the whole it is a force for good [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metaphysics aside, is the world better off with or without religion? Secularists like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens argue that religion has been a malevolent force in human history and should be eradicated. Others disagree with some of the doctrinal claims of religion but believe that on the whole it is a force for good in the world. The faithful regard religion as the greatest gift of all. Where do you stand?</p>
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		<title>Can divine sovereignty and human freedom coexist?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This paradox keeps theologians of all colours awake at night. How would you resolve it?
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		<title>Batman is &#8230; George W Bush?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Click here to read Andrew Bolt&#8217;s fascinating analysis of the new Batman movie, The Dark Knight, in the Herald Sun (30/7/08). Bolt argues (not facetiously in my view) that the character of Batman is actually a metaphor for President Bush. Whatever the actual intentions of director Chrisopher Nolan, this column offers very interesting insights not [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Click <a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_its_george_w_batman/">here</a> to read Andrew Bolt&#8217;s fascinating analysis of the new Batman movie, The Dark Knight, in the Herald Sun (30/7/08). Bolt argues (not facetiously in my view) that the character of Batman is actually a metaphor for President Bush. Whatever the actual intentions of director Chrisopher Nolan, this column offers very interesting insights not only into the film but into the character and presidency of George Bush.</p>
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		<title>Where was God during the Holocaust?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If God is merciful and inherently benevolent as some religions claim, how can tragedies such as the Holocaust be reconciled with his existence? 
Does the divine gift of free will release God from all liability concerning human-induced suffering such as the Holocaust? Milton famously said in Paradise Lost that God made Man &#8220;Sufficient to have [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If God is merciful and inherently benevolent as some religions claim, how can tragedies such as the Holocaust be reconciled with his existence? </p>
<p>Does the divine gift of free will release God from all liability concerning human-induced suffering such as the Holocaust? Milton famously said in Paradise Lost that God made Man &#8220;Sufficient to have stood, though free to fall.&#8221; If so, how can non-human-induced suffering such as the Boxing Day Tsunami be explained?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can we believe that murder is wrong if there is no deity to which the values can be traced? If there is no such deity, where do these values come from and are they authoritative?  Does atheism necessitate moral relativism or can atheists belief that murder is objectively wrong even in the absence of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we believe that murder is wrong if there is no deity to which the values can be traced? If there is no such deity, where do these values come from and are they authoritative?  Does atheism necessitate moral relativism or can atheists belief that murder is objectively wrong even in the absence of a God?</p>
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		<title>Down with the UN?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Sydney Morning Herald (12/7/08):
&#8220;China and Russia today blocked a US draft resolution in the UN Security Council that would have slapped sanctions on Zimbabwe&#8217;s President Robert Mugabe over his disputed re-election.
The Chinese and Russian envoys joined their colleagues from South Africa, Libya and Vietnam in opposing the draft which would have imposed an assets [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Sydney Morning Herald (12/7/08):</p>
<p>&#8220;China and Russia today blocked a US draft resolution in the UN Security Council that would have slapped sanctions on Zimbabwe&#8217;s President Robert Mugabe over his disputed re-election.</p>
<p>The Chinese and Russian envoys joined their colleagues from South Africa, Libya and Vietnam in opposing the draft which would have imposed an assets freeze and a travel ban on Mugabe and 13 of his cronies, as well as an arms embargo. Indonesia abstained.&#8221;</p>
<p>Given the recent failure by the UN to condemn Rubert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, can the institution still profess moral authority?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[In September 2005, a Danish newspaper called Jyllands-Posten printed a series of cartoons mocking the prophet Mohammad and linking Islam with violence. The cartoons were reprinted in newspapers in more than fifty other countries.  Notably, only two Australian newspapers followed suit and both were from Queensland: the Courier-Mail and the Rockhampton Morning Bulletin.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In September 2005, a Danish newspaper called Jyllands-Posten printed a series of cartoons mocking the prophet Mohammad and linking Islam with violence. The cartoons were reprinted in newspapers in more than fifty other countries. <span id="more-54"></span> Notably, only two Australian newspapers <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/second-australian-paper-publishes-cartoon/2006/02/08/1139074274027.html">followed suit</a> and both were from Queensland: the Courier-Mail and the Rockhampton Morning Bulletin.</p>
<p>In Islam, any depiction (let alone a derisive depiction) of Mohammad is blasphemous. The publication of the cartoons triggered a wave of violence across the Arab world in the course which Danish and other European buildings were <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4682560.stm">attacked</a> and <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/02/04/cartoon-controversy060204.html">set ablaze</a>.</p>
<p>In Canada,  The Western Standard printed the cartoons and its publisher, Ezra Levant, was called before the Alberta Human Rights Commission following a complaint lodged by <span class="new">Syed Soharwardy</span> of the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada. Click <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzVJTHIvqw8">here</a> to watch his scathing opening statement. The complaint by Soharwardy was later withdrawn but I understand that another complaint, by Edmonton Muslim Council, still stands.</p>
<p>Do you believe what Levant did was right? Should he be punished for it? Where do we draw the line between freedom of speech and hate speech?</p>
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